What were the Zionists Oiver when they made the state?

I think it is agreed upon that it was definitely Ossur to make a State of Israel. But the Gedolmi paskened that once it is already ours, we can and should keep it and live here. My question is two-fold. Why did the Gedolim oppose it, and if they did, why now that it is here can we remain? Shouldnt the keeping of the State be just as Ossur?

Thanks in advance

It was not definitely asur to make the state of Israel.

Although the Satmar rabbi opposed it, I don't think there were any more prominent authorities who did. (By the way, R' Aviner wrote a book refuting his arguments. I have read neither of the two books.) And we follow the majority in deciding halachah. (If you're wondering what the Satmar rabbi held they were transgressing, you can check the above link to Wikipedia.)

If what I wrote is true, your other questions are not problematic.

Come on guys, the answer is truly obvious. The problem with creating the state is clear. As mentioned above, Hashem assured klal yisroel from ever taking over the country by force and creating their own state from it. The reason why the Gedolim nowdays are not opposed to it anymore is because giving back any part of the land is a serious sakanah as it gives the arabs a stronger foothold in the country, thus increased terrorist attacks. Even if UTJ win all 120 seats in the next elections, and the country is thus led by pure daas torah, no part of the land will be returned because of the above mentioned reason. This is where the current Netora Katah have got it wrong.(as opposed to the original one, headed by Harav Amram Blau) They are taking the issur to the opposite extreme, and trying to consent as much as possible to the arabs!

This is one of those "dont even attempt to argue" topics. Each side of the fence is SO convinced about them being one gazillion percent right, it would be a total waist to try in the least way to convey your views (on this topic) onto someone else. So while this is true with everything else in life (you will never change someone elses thinking, dont even try...), is especially bold with this topic.

Rabbi this Gedolim that, its completely irrelevant, here's my take on this. A "Jewish" state on the soil of the holiest place on earth, that's structured on, denying the existence of Gd (or worse, spiting Gd), despising Torah values, Gay marches in no better place than Yerushalayim, Chillul Shabbos, can NOT sit well with the Hasham that i serve, and if it doesn't sit well with him, it doesn't sit well with me, period! There's really not much to debate, i will not support a person or a group of people that spite and Anger the Hasham i love, and do so everyday. I will therefore never support the Zionist state of Israel, even an ocean of Rabbis and Gedolim would argue otherwise.

EDIT: Update response to Aloh Naaleh's claim that speaking out against Apikorsim is Lushen Hora

Almost forgot, i like to source myself to backup my claim

לכן מתר להכלימו ולספר בגנותו בין בפניו ובין שלא בפניו

אם הוכיח אותו בזה, ולא הזר,דמתר לפרסמו ולגלות על חטאיו בשער בת רבים ולשפך בוז עליו

שעבר בשאט נפש על אסורין הידועין לכל לשראל שהוא אסור כנאוף, וכיוצא בזה, על איש כזה מתר לקבל לשון הרע

אבל אותן האנשים שמכירם שיש בהם אפיקורסות, מצוה לגנותם ולבזותם

No one has actually mentioned any Issur that is found in the sefer hamitzvos. It's a question of hashkafa, of how you interpret the gemara in the end of kesubos and a whole host of social reasons. Chareidim don't like change :)

In any case the state has funded thousands of bochurim to sit in yeshiva and gives out shed loads of benefits for frum jews. If it wasn't for the state then there would be no safe haven for jews and yeshivas. So some hakaras hatov is in order. Though the current reaction is to say the state is destroying Yiddishkeit, oh the irony!

Look in the sefer Eretz Chemda for a good summary of the positions.

Not sure what to call this Avairah - Probably falls in the category of "MURDER" - trying to kill out Frum Yiddishkeit and create a "NEW NATION" of idealistic "Israelis". Apikursos is definitely up there as well.

The reason the Gedolim opposed it is because the Gemoro says Hashem made 3 Shvuos with Klal Yisroel before they were sent to Galus and one of them was not to take over Eretz Yisroel by force! I dont know why the Gedolim didnt mind after though!